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Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiute
05/29/12 at 18:29:10
 
There have been a lot of rumors and much discussion about 60" trails on the Paiute system.

No!  The entire Paiute Trail system has not been opened to 60" vehicles.

Yes!  Some trails were converted to being open to vehicles 60" or less in width.  These routes were mostly old roads that had been made into 50" trails when the Forest Service originally went to the 50" Rule.  Now that each Forest had the option to designate routes to accomodate appropriate use some of these old roads were reassessed and designated as open to vehicles 60" or less in width.  The Forest Service took five years to assess all of their routes in this area and made their decision based on practicality, use patterns, safety and community desires.

The following Paiute Trails are open only to vehicles 50" or less in width:  Max Reid section of the 01, Sam Stowe section of the 01, Koosharem Creek section of the 01, Chalk Creek section of PST03, PST07, a portion of PST 40, PST41, a portion of PST42, PST66, PST97, PST33, most of PST53, most of PST54, PST87, PST89, PST61, most of PST73, PST67, PST68, PST88, PST26, PST31, most of PST65, and PST79.

The following Paiute Trails are open to vehicles 60" or less in width:  the Wade's Canyon section of the 01, Kingston Canyon section of the 01, Rigger Park section of the 01, Sawmill Ridge section of the 01, Merchant Creek section of PST05, PST27, sections of PST34, section of PST35, section of PST74 between Hoover's and Marysvale, PST21 between Hoover's and Big Rock Candy Mountain, and PST63.

The following Paiute Trails are trails open to all motorized vehicles:  section of PST05 "The Face Trail" and a section of PST74 "Deer Creek".

The following routes are roads that are part of the Paiute Trail system and are open to all vehicles:  PST00, most of the Paiute01, PST02, PST03 (via FS100), PST04, PST06, PST10, PST11, PST13, PST15, PST22, PST24, PST25, PST29, PST32, most of PST35, PST36, PST37, a portion of PST40, most of PST42, PST44, PST47, PST52, PST55, PST56, PST64, PST70, PST72, PST76, PST77, PST78, PST86, and PST96.

There you have it!  Now it's all clear as mud and I'm sure no one will ever have another question. Wink
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #1 - 02/03/15 at 09:12:11
 
After years of riding motorcycles, atv's and dune buggies I am at an age and physical limitations to be limited to a side by side. After riding the Paiute trail numerous years on our quads I would like to continue the advenure on a side by side. Question is if I travel back to the Paiute with a Kawasaki Teryx would I be able to travel legally and safely on trails/roads to entertain us for miles? Thanks
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #2 - 02/05/15 at 22:11:32
 
Yes.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #3 - 03/08/15 at 18:09:07
 
I am new to these forums and have a question about the Paiute Trail system ... does the new updated (in 2013) Paiute Trail system map show where the wider trails and 50" trails are as I own a 2012 800S LE razor?
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #4 - 03/09/15 at 11:26:59
 
Yes it does.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #5 - 05/02/15 at 20:33:43
 
I have not been on the Paiute trail system, we have gone to WV and rode the HM trails. No restrictions. In reading the outline of the 60inch trails, there are sections that allow 60inch, what happens when you reach the end of that section? do you just turn around and go back and go look for another 60inch? I have purchased a cd with trails etc on it but it does not identify the trail restrictions. I drive 2006 rhino which is 54 inches wide, I see I will be restricted to certain trails, if we have riding for a week without retracing our rides every time we go out that would be good.

I understand that even with all the research we have done, we still know very little.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #6 - 09/24/17 at 14:00:25
 
Original post was 2012, 5 years ago.  Does anyone have any updates on the Paiute trail?  Updates like restrictions on width?
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #7 - 09/24/17 at 14:33:22
 
Loomster wrote on 09/24/17 at 14:00:25:
Original post was 2012, 5 years ago.  Does anyone have any updates on the Paiute trail?  Updates like restrictions on width?


Still plenty of 50" restricted trails, but of late, I've noticed the gates getting wider to accommodate up to 60" machines.

Regardless, there is still hundreds and hundreds of miles worth of riding where 50" gates aren't an issue. There's always a route around the narrow 50" sections!
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #8 - 09/25/17 at 09:35:36
 
I just got back from the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree.  Rode 3 days on 50" trails in the Gooseberry System.  All of the 50" trails had gates with no bypass somewhere on the trail.  Additionally, some of the trails had narrow bridges and steep switchbacks that would be difficult with wider width / longer wheelbase machines.  So even if you can bypass the first gate doesn't mean you can get through.  I would still abide by the posted width of the trail.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the
Reply #9 - 09/25/17 at 10:15:25
 
TimothyS wrote on 09/25/17 at 09:35:36:
I just got back from the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree. Rode 3 days on 50" trails in the Gooseberry System. All of the 50" trails had gates with no bypass somewhere on the trail. Additionally, some of the trails had narrow bridges and steep switchbacks that would be difficult with wider width / longer wheelbase machines. So even if you can bypass the first gate doesn't mean you can get through. I would still abide by the posted width of the trail.

Did you ride Trail #7 on the Gooseberry.  If so, do you anticipate any issues with a 50" 2 seater RZR?
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #10 - 09/25/17 at 11:31:50
 
We did not ride Trail #7.  All ATVs on the ride except for one Wildcat Trail.  We did encounter a 50" gate with no bypass on Trail 16 but nothing that would give a Razor Trail any trouble.  I rode my Grizzly all week and left my Razor 900 Trail at home.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #11 - 09/25/17 at 12:58:04
 
Thanks for the info.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #12 - 04/02/18 at 14:41:52
 
Last Sept., I noticed a lot of the 50" gates had one post removed. Was this to allow wider machines? Do the new maps have a width  revision. I like the 50". Hope they remain the same.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #13 - 04/11/18 at 14:49:01
 
The posts on the gates are being removed illegally.  The Paiute Trail Committee is investing in steel gates that can't be removed.  Width restrictions remain mostly the same with the exception of a couple routes that were increased from 50 inches to 60 inches.
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Reply #14 - 08/27/21 at 13:03:54
 
Has there been any talk of opening the 60" trails to 66" like the Arapeen did.   Not wanting to start a war but 60" seems pointless.  ATV's are under 50" so they have no problems anywhere.  However the VAST majority of SxS's are over 60", most are 62-66".  Who is the 60" supposed to be for.  The last times we were there we all had ATV thus no problems, this time we all have SxS's that are wider than 60".  We normally stay at Big Rock Candy Mtn but trails P-21 & P-74 are 60" trails so our only option is ride the road.  Sorry about the rant but I don't understand a 60" trail in 2021.
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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #15 - 08/27/21 at 13:55:32
 
So I pose the question back to you. How wide is wide enough? Should I be able to take my Dually on those trails? I have a 64" CanAm and I can run like 95% of the State of Utah without issue. If I want to run a 50" trail, then I just hop on my Polaris 1000 and leave the SxS at home..

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Has there been any talk of opening the 60" trails to 66" like the Arapeen did.   Not wanting to start a war but 60" seems pointless.  ATV's are under 50" so they have no problems anywhere.  However the VAST majority of SxS's are over 60", most are 62-66".  Who is the 60" supposed to be for.  The last times we were there we all had ATV thus no problems, this time we all have SxS's that are wider than 60".  We normally stay at Big Rock Candy Mtn but trails P-21 & P-74 are 60" trails so our only option is ride the road.  Sorry about the rant but I don't understand a 60" trail in 2021.

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Re: Clearing the air about 60" Trails on the Paiut
Reply #16 - 08/27/21 at 14:37:54
 
I think the Arapeen 66" is pretty good, it accommodates the majority of SxS's.  The 50" to 60"window only accommodates a very few SxS Trail editions.
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Reply #17 - 08/27/21 at 17:51:33
 
I think the Paiute Trail committee needs to revisit the width restrictions on some of their trails.  Very few of their trails are truly 50" trails now.  Trail 88, 89, 66, and 33 come to mind.  Trail 74 is a 50" trail, and it is just a trail that crosses a broad sage brush flat.  There is nothing on that trail that requires a 50" width, and it is no long used as a 50" trail because of that.  There is a super highway sized go-around past the 50" gate, and it is obvious that 64"+ width machines are the main type of vehicle that does the trail.  If the trail committee needs help pulling 50" gates that need to be removed, I would be happy to volunteer for that project.  And I agree that the 60" width restriction makes no sense.  Manufacturers have largely moved on from building 60" wide machines.  Any of the 60" wide trails I have ridden, including Wade's Canyon, could just as easily be done with a 66" wide machine.  Most trail systems in the state have already moved away from the 50" restriction (Markagunt, Paunsaugunt, Arapeen, etc).  Paiute seems to be a holdout, and many of the trails that are still width restricted could have the restrictions lessened.  My $.02.
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Reply #18 - 08/28/21 at 05:49:19
 
3TV, I'm not as in-the-know on these things, but aren't the 50/60" width restrictions decided on by the forest service, not the Paiute committee?
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Reply #19 - 08/28/21 at 06:16:58
 
Good question.  I'm not sure.
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Reply #20 - 08/28/21 at 21:20:17
 
My wife and I rode our quads up the Max Reid trail from the lower gate to the upper gate on Friday.  Near the hairpin turn just before the "dugway" we encountered a full size 4-seat Rzr stopped on the trail because he couldn't go any further.  He backed into a clearing so we could get by and turned around to head back down.  He admitted he "probably shouldn't be on this trail".  The lower gate was intact so he obviously boondocked to get around it.
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Reply #21 - 08/29/21 at 17:26:58
 
Radarsdad wrote on 08/28/21 at 21:20:17:
My wife and I rode our quads up the Max Reid trail from the lower gate to the upper gate on Friday.  Near the hairpin turn just before the "dugway" we encountered a full size 4-seat Rzr stopped on the trail because he couldn't go any further.  He backed into a clearing so we could get by and turned around to head back down.  He admitted he "probably shouldn't be on this trail".  The lower gate was intact so he obviously boondocked to get around it.

A 4 seat RZR in the Max Reid WOW !!!  Sad
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