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12/02/11 at 19:56:06
 
Myself and a Couple Of friends are planning a 14 Day trip to the Paiute Trail
 
in september of 2012.  I ride a 2011 Polaris Sportsman 850 XP.  I put MSA  
 
Wheels and PitBull Growler Tires on it and it is now 51 3/4 inches wide.  I  
 
sold the stock Wheels Back to the dealer for a discount on the tire and  
 
wheel kit.  Will my machine pass thru the gates at almost 52 inches wide.
 
We will be driving all the way from Pennsylvania and I don't want to get  
 
there and then find out my ATV won't fit.  Thank you for any help
 
 
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Re: Paiute Trail 50 Inch gates
Reply #1 - 12/02/11 at 20:14:57
 
You could fit thought most gates but if you got caught being over 50 inchs the could be pretty big.
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Reply #2 - 12/02/11 at 21:07:37
 
You could ride most of  the Piaute main trails with your quad being over 50".  However there are many side trails and some parts of the main trails you could not get on.  
 
I would suggest you buy the Piaute Trial MAP on this web sght.  The new map shows the 50" trials.  It would help you plan your ride and see where you can and can't ride.  
 
I would suggest you borrow somones stock wheels and be under 50"
 
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Reply #3 - 12/02/11 at 21:10:27
 
We did a 1000 mile ride there in September and at 50 inches we had to work through some of the gates by rocking back and forth. Anything over 50 and it will not go through. We measured all of our machines and one was exactly 50 inches. You will be to wide.  
 
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Reply #4 - 12/03/11 at 11:33:40
 
Stickily speaking the law allows up to a $5000.00 fine for operating a machine wider than 50" on a restricted trail. Is it worth the risk? It could be an expensive added expense to a vacation if your caught.  
 
Although you might "fit" through some of the gates your still not legal and the gates are not there as a measuring device. It is a sign post telling people the trail is restricted to 50" vehicles.  
 
It might be wiser to check Craig's list or eBay or even a few dealers for some stock wheels for trips to areas with narrow trail requirements out of respect for the trails and the rules that govern them.  
 
Or we could all just keep disobeying the rules until we loose the right to ride the trails we have now, and have no credibility or justification for why we should be allowed to open back up any that have been closed for bogus reasons.
 
Find some stock wheels, come on out and play and we will show you some of the most amazing country you have ever ridden in Smiley
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Re: Paiute Trail 50 Inch gates
Reply #5 - 12/12/11 at 16:14:02
 
Thank you all very much for your replies.  
 
I went ahead and bought a set of stock wheels off of my dealer. So that i can ride any of the trails on the Paiute.  It just wouldn't be the same to come out and not be able to ride all of the trails.  With the stock wheels and the pitbull tires my machine is now 48 3/4 " wide so now I will be legal on any of the trails.
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Reply #6 - 12/13/11 at 05:54:30
 
Do you have any of the over fenders added to keep mud off with the wider tires. If you do you will need to take those off as well. A buddy of mine that went with us put some on his XP and forgot to take them off. The first gate we came to fixed that problem for him.
 
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Reply #7 - 02/01/12 at 08:45:32
 
Quote from ATVUtah on 12/03/11 at 11:33:40:
Stickily speaking the law allows up to a $5000.00 fine for operating a machine wider than 50" on a restricted trail. Is it worth the risk? It could be an expensive added expense to a vacation if your caught.  

Although you might "fit" through some of the gates your still not legal and the gates are not there as a measuring device. It is a sign post telling people the trail is restricted to 50" vehicles.

It might be wiser to check Craig's list or eBay or even a few dealers for some stock wheels for trips to areas with narrow trail requirements out of respect for the trails and the rules that govern them.

Or we could all just keep disobeying the rules until we loose the right to ride the trails we have now, and have no credibility or justification for why we should be allowed to open back up any that have been closed for bogus reasons.

Find some stock wheels, come on out and play and we will show you some of the most amazing country you have ever ridden in Smiley

 
This is worth repeating.  
 
Please respect the Paiute Trail and the laws that protect it.
 
If I catch you on the wrong side of a gate with a 50"+ vehicle I will take your picture and turn you in th the authorities and I guarantee you that they will prosecute.  
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Re: Paiute Trail 50 Inch gates
Reply #8 - 02/02/12 at 10:39:47
 
Quote from Frank Cole on 12/12/11 at 16:14:02:
Thank you all very much for your replies.  

I went ahead and bought a set of stock wheels off of my dealer. So that i can ride any of the trails on the Paiute.  It just wouldn't be the same to come out and not be able to ride all of the trails.  With the stock wheels and the pitbull tires my machine is now 48 3/4 " wide so now I will be legal on any of the trails.  

 
Good choice, Frank.  Ensuring you're under 50" will make your trip well worthwhile, and your willingness to be responsible is appreciated.  As you can tell by this thread, not all who ride the Paiute and other nearby trails are like you.  There are people who "don't sweat the small stuff" and come out to ride, then end up going around/trying to dismantle the gates when they realize they can't get through them.  Thanks for making the effort to be prepared for your trip, and feel free to follow Kenny's lead when you are here by photographing and reporting others who are breaking the law because they don't care enough to do their due diligence the way you have.  Ensuring responsible use is probably the best way for trails to be kept available for us all.  Have a great ride!  
 
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Re: Paiute Trail 50 Inch gates
Reply #9 - 02/02/12 at 11:26:53
 
On the RZR's you can also crank the tension on your shocks to lift the machine up and that will get you a couple of inchs, I had to do this on mine and now it's fine, but stiff, even at 50" there's some gates that are at bad angles 01 above Fremont Indian Museum that got installed in a bad spot by a tank and you can't get straight enough to get through properly. But you do the best you can, you'll get some nice rub marks on that one, I'm sure there will be some comments on this...
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Reply #10 - 02/14/12 at 12:58:59
 
I am 60in wide and never had a problem because there is always a trail around the 50in trails.
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Reply #11 - 02/14/12 at 21:53:25
 
Quote from Don Parscale on 02/14/12 at 12:58:59:
I am 60in wide and never had a problem because there is always a trail around the 50in trails.
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Reply #12 - 02/14/12 at 22:10:29
 
Quote from Don Parscale on 02/14/12 at 12:58:59:
I am 60in wide and never had a problem because there is always a trail around the 50in trails.
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 WOW I hope you dont run into me on a 50" trail as I would take your photo  and call the proper authority's and turn you in.
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Reply #13 - 02/14/12 at 23:21:05
 
Bill, I hope what Don means is that he takes the alternate routes that are designated for the wider vehicles and he can still get to where he needs to go.  I didn't read into his comment that he goes around the gates.  I too carry a camera and have taken pictures on a couple of occasions and turn in violators.
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Reply #14 - 02/15/12 at 05:31:53
 
Quote from KTMer on 02/14/12 at 21:53:25:
Quote from Don Parscale on 02/14/12 at 12:58:59:
I am 60in wide and never had a problem because there is always a trail around the 50in trails.
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Reply #15 - 02/15/12 at 06:06:42
 
Quote from ahhcrap on 02/02/12 at 11:26:53:
there's some gates that are at bad angles 01 above Fremont Indian Museum that got installed in a bad spot

 
That sounds like the gate a few of us installed ~2 years ago. Do note though that that gate is more like 60" wide, but yes - on a tight corner.
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Reply #16 - 02/15/12 at 06:07:54
 
Quote from m74me on 02/14/12 at 23:21:05:
Bill, I hope what Don means is that he takes the alternate routes that are designated for the wider vehicles and he can still get to where he needs to go.  I didn't read into his comment that he goes around the gates.  I too carry a camera and have taken pictures on a couple of occasions and turn in violators.

 
That's what I assumed he meant as well.. There are generally side (detour) trails that allow the wider machines to legally bypass the 50" gated areas.
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Reply #17 - 08/16/13 at 14:44:32
 
Quote from ATVUtah on 12/03/11 at 11:33:40:
Stickily speaking the law allows up to a $5000.00 fine for operating a machine wider than 50" on a restricted trail.

 
I know this is an old thread, I was wondering if you can point me to that law?
 
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Reply #18 - 08/16/13 at 17:03:37
 
Federal Regulations Section 36 CRF 261  
Per 36 CFR Parts 212, 251, 261, and 295 Travel Management; Designated Routes and Areas for Motor Vehicle Use; Final Rule from the US Forest Service Website.
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Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3571(e), the $500
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After National Forest System roads, National Forest System trails, and areas on National Forest System lands have been designated pursuant to 36 CFR 212.51 on an administrative unit or a Ranger District of the National Forest System, and these designations have been identified on a motor vehicle use map, it is prohibited to possess or operate a motor vehicle on National Forest System lands in that administrative unit or Ranger District other than in accordance with those designations, provided that the following vehicles and uses are exempted from this prohibition:
a) Aircraft;

(b) Watercraft;

(c) Over-snow vehicles;

(d) Limited administrative use by the Forest Service;

(e) Use of any fire, military, emergency, or law enforcement vehicle for emergency purposes;

(f) Authorized use of any combat or combat support vehicle for national defense purposes;

(g) Law enforcement response to violations of law, including pursuit;

(h) Motor vehicle use that is specifically authorized under a written authorization issued under Federal law or regulations; and

(i) Use of a road or trail that is authorized by a legally documented right-of-way held by a State, county, or other local public road authority.
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Reply #19 - 08/16/13 at 21:14:14
 
Quote from ATVUtah on 08/16/13 at 17:03:37:
Federal Regulations Section 36 CRF 261
Per 36 CFR Parts 212, 251, 261, and 295 Travel Management; Designated Routes and Areas for Motor Vehicle Use; Final Rule from the US Forest Service Website.
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Violations of prohibitions in part 261 are Class B
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a prison term of up to six months (18
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Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 3571(e), the $500
maximum fine specified in § 261.1b is
superseded by the $5000 maximum fine
established for Class B misdemeanors in
18 U.S.C. 3571(b)(6).


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§ 261.13   Motor vehicle use.
After National Forest System roads, National Forest System trails, and areas on National Forest System lands have been designated pursuant to 36 CFR 212.51 on an administrative unit or a Ranger District of the National Forest System, and these designations have been identified on a motor vehicle use map, it is prohibited to possess or operate a motor vehicle on National Forest System lands in that administrative unit or Ranger District other than in accordance with those designations, provided that the following vehicles and uses are exempted from this prohibition:
a) Aircraft;

(b) Watercraft;

(c) Over-snow vehicles;

(d) Limited administrative use by the Forest Service;

(e) Use of any fire, military, emergency, or law enforcement vehicle for emergency purposes;

(f) Authorized use of any combat or combat support vehicle for national defense purposes;

(g) Law enforcement response to violations of law, including pursuit;

(h) Motor vehicle use that is specifically authorized under a written authorization issued under Federal law or regulations; and

(i) Use of a road or trail that is authorized by a legally documented right-of-way held by a State, county, or other local public road authority.

 
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Reply #20 - 05/22/14 at 16:45:00
 
This kind of stuff just frosts my butt!
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Reply #22 - 05/23/14 at 07:45:02
 
I notice that sign says "less than 50 inches". Now does that mean 49", or is 50" okay. I have  50" RZR and don't want to be where I'm not supposed to be.
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Reply #23 - 05/23/14 at 07:48:22
 
Every year I find gates torn down or bushes/trees cut down around the gates.  
 
Is it really so hard to do your research before you hit the trails?
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Reply #24 - 05/23/14 at 10:55:48
 
Quote from weatherman on 05/23/14 at 07:45:02:
I notice that sign says "less than 50 inches". Now does that mean 49", or is 50" okay. I have  50" RZR and don't want to be where I'm not supposed to be.

it means just what it says  under 50" but not over 50"
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Reply #25 - 05/23/14 at 13:40:44
 
So...to be clear, is 50 okay?
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Reply #26 - 05/23/14 at 19:43:00
 
The Forest Service official Travel Management Rule defines the trails as open to vehicles 50" and less in width, so a vehicle 50" wide is legal on those trails.
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Thank you all. Didn't want to be a pain, just wanted to be clear.
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Reply #28 - 05/27/14 at 08:32:39
 
Quote from weatherman on 05/27/14 at 07:22:56:
Thank you all. Didn't want to be a pain, just wanted to be clear.

Not a pain at all. It's good to bring this up from time to time to help those who don't know. Others may not know but won't ask so it's good you do.
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Reply #29 - 06/30/14 at 16:18:42
 
Greetings!
 
I am planning to ride most or all of the main Paiute ATV Trail loop this summer. I am now doing my research. I have purchased and looked over the Nat Geo map and the Paiute ATV Trail Guide. I have not read every word in the book, I skipped the individual trail descriptions for now, until my riding buddies and I get more specific on what routes we will take. But I did read the rest of the material, and there are two questions that were not answered, so I am asking them in this forum. Only one of them is relevant to this topic, so here it is:
 
What are the 50" trails like AFTER you get through the gate?
 
Let me be more specific, so you understand my question. On some of the trails where I live, you could get through a 50" gate with your 50" wide vehicle. But you really wouldn't enjoy riding that trail. Maybe your wheelbase is too long for some of the turns. Or maybe there are rocks and stumps on the sides of the trail, waiting to grab your tire if you have a momentary lapse of concentration. Those trails are generally not fun to ride with a vehicle pushing 50" because while technically you are legal, it's a slow torture getting through the trail.
 
So with that context, I am asking again: What are the trails like, AFTER you have made it through the 50" gate?
 
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Reply #30 - 06/30/14 at 16:45:45
 
Most, if not all of the 50' trails are designated as such because you can barely get 1x 50" vehicle on the trail. If you encounter somebody coming the opposite direction, the real fun ensues.
 
Some 50" trails are on narrow ledges with tight switchbacks (Paiute 73), some are just very narrow forest trails with tight turns (Max Reid).
 
They're designated 50" usually because they're very narrow and have either a drop-off on one side, or would be difficult if somebody were to be going downhill while somebody is trying to come uphill.
 
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Reply #31 - 06/30/14 at 17:04:40
 
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Your answer is helpful, but does not fully satisfy my quest for understanding.
 
I am no stranger to narrow trails, nor to steep ones with switchbacks. I found myself on one that was poorly marked last year in my 60" RZR, and I would have paid a great deal of money for an easy way off of that trail.  
 
Mostly, I find narrow and steep trails exhilarating, and I bring equipment (winch, tow rope, etc.) needed for getting myself out of a tight spot. I don't doubt that passing people going the other way can be quite a challenge if you meet in a "less than optimal" place. I know that a few inches can make a great difference in those cases, but I don't think that the possibility of such an encounter will be enough of a deterrent to keep me off of those trails.
 
You say that these 50" trails are narrow, and I totally get that. But what lives on the sides of these trails? Nasty wheel-jarring rocks hiding in the shadows of an overhanging sage brush? Stumps that blend in until they grab your wheel and slam your handlebar into your gut? Trees with the bark scraped off of them, and the ground is scattered with shards of reflectors?
 
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Re: Paiute Trail 50 Inch gates
Reply #32 - 06/30/14 at 17:47:43
 
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They're designated 50" usually because they're very narrow and have either a drop-off on one side, or would be difficult if somebody were to be going downhill while somebody is trying to come uphill.

 
Is there a general difference between the 50" trails that are considered part of the "main Paiute ATV Trail loop", as opposed to the ones that are side trails?
 
If we stuck to the "main loop" would the 50" trails we do encounter be easier to handle?
 
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Reply #33 - 06/30/14 at 18:22:05
 
Quote from Scoundrel on 06/30/14 at 17:47:43:
Quote from BruteForce on 06/30/14 at 16:45:45:
They're designated 50" usually because they're very narrow and have either a drop-off on one side, or would be difficult if somebody were to be going downhill while somebody is trying to come uphill.


Is there a general difference between the 50" trails that are considered part of the "main Paiute ATV Trail loop", as opposed to the ones that are side trails?

If we stuck to the "main loop" would the 50" trails we do encounter be easier to handle?

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Most of the PST trails (Paiute Side trails) have either deep tree cover that doesn't allow for "pulling to the side" or steep drop off cliffs. The main Paiute trails (01, 02, etc) are more like fire break roads and most don't have 50" restrictions as I recall. The 33, 53, 73 and Max Reid (the only 01 exception) have stuff or cliffs on the side that prevent having a "pull-out".
 
Now, the Max Reid has a few sections where you can pull to the side, but the 33, 73 and 53 .. not so much.
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Reply #34 - 07/01/14 at 18:25:51
 
Everything on the Paiute Trail System is pretty easy.  I don't think you'll have any problems with the 50" wide trails.  In fact, the 50" wide trail sections are the most fun trails to ride.  My kid did the whole 01 trail on a Honda TRX 90, when he was 10 years old.  There are some rocky areas, and there are some places that might be impossible to pass oncoming traffic.  But if you have to, you can back up a hundred yards, or less, and find a place to get by.  I've only had to back up and go around one time since 1999.  That was on the 74 side trail, which isn't even a 50" wide trail.  We came up on a group of side by sides and ATVs that were stopped on a narrow shelf trail, with the lead side by side undergoing repairs.  They told us there were 57 vehicles in their group, so we just turned around and took another route to get where we were going.
 
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Reply #35 - 07/01/14 at 19:41:47
 
I have no doubt it will be a blast. Looking forward to it.
 
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Reply #36 - 07/02/14 at 15:08:55
 
Quote from Paul on 06/30/14 at 16:18:42:
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I am planning to ride most or all of the main Paiute ATV Trail loop this summer. I am now doing my research. I have purchased and looked over the Nat Geo map and the Paiute ATV Trail Guide. I have not read every word in the book, I skipped the individual trail descriptions for now, until my riding buddies and I get more specific on what routes we will take. But I did read the rest of the material, and there are two questions that were not answered, so I am asking them in this forum. Only one of them is relevant to this topic, so here it is:

What are the 50" trails like AFTER you get through the gate?

Let me be more specific, so you understand my question. On some of the trails where I live, you could get through a 50" gate with your 50" wide vehicle. But you really wouldn't enjoy riding that trail. Maybe your wheelbase is too long for some of the turns. Or maybe there are rocks and stumps on the sides of the trail, waiting to grab your tire if you have a momentary lapse of concentration. Those trails are generally not fun to ride with a vehicle pushing 50" because while technically you are legal, it's a slow torture getting through the trail.

So with that context, I am asking again: What are the trails like, AFTER you have made it through the 50" gate?

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Reply #37 - 07/02/14 at 16:06:57
 
Was there someone in your group called Freddie who ripped an axle off hitting one?
 
I've been thrown from my ATV by those, socked in the gut by my handlebar due to one, and I know people who have lost tie rod ends to them, but I have fortunately never suffered actual ATV damage due to one.
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Reply #38 - 07/02/14 at 16:09:40
 
Yes....  I have pictures....  so it happened.  Ask Freddy!  He can tell you all about it.
 
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Reply #39 - 07/02/14 at 16:13:27
 
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I will do better than that...I have video.  I will try to upload something tonight or tomorrow morning Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - 07/02/14 at 18:06:54
 
Ummm.....  
 
eight mm socket anyone ??  anyone??
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Reply #42 - 07/02/14 at 18:20:03
 
I actually do carry a socket set on my ACE. I don't have an 8mm, but I do have a 5/16, which measures out VERY close with my caliper.
 
Dunno why I included the SAE sizes. Probably because the kit that was the best bang for the buck (not the cheapest, mind) included both so I just tossed them in there.
 
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Reply #43 - 07/02/14 at 18:25:38
 
Quote from Scoundrel on 07/02/14 at 18:20:03:
I actually do carry a socket set on my ACE. I don't have an 8mm, but I do have a 5/16, which measures out VERY close with my caliper.

Dunno why I included the SAE sizes. Probably because the kit that was the best bang for the buck (not the cheapest, mind) included both so I just tossed them in there.

But I smell an inside joke here.

 
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Reply #44 - 07/02/14 at 18:31:00
 
Being prepared is something I also learned the hard way.
I think our topic is drifting pretty far though. I wonder if this should go to a new thread.
Anyway, this is the contents of my "Oh Crap Pack" for every day trail riding (will be supplemented with a few more things for the Paiute trip). It has changed slightly from this photo, more sockets.
 
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2. Slime compact 12v pump.
3. Tire plug kit and extra plugs.
4. Screwdrivers
5. Needle nose plier with wire cutter.
6. Multimeter.
7. Assorted mini and normal blade fuses and electrical connectors.
8. Mini brass brush.
9. 18ga black/red 2-conductor wire.
11. Electrical tape.
12. Mini jumper cables (more for emergency charging than for jumping - small gauge).
13. Cheap crappy pocketknife.
14. Stubby crescent wrench.
15. Metric and standard socket set.
16. 3/8" ratchet.
17. short and medium socket extensions.
18. 3/8" wrench.
19. Cheater bar.
20. Bracer bar.
21. Tow strap.
22. Very large zip ties.
23. $15 First Aid kit.
24. Wire coat hanger (Don't laugh, I got a guy back to camp with one of those last year when he rattled loose a bolt out of his A-arm).
25. Small tire mounting lever (not pictured here). I don't actually hope to mount tires with it, I use it for digging bark out of the bead seal.
26. The Polaris toolkit that came with the ACE (also not pictured here).
 
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Reply #45 - 07/02/14 at 19:28:09
 
Good stuff for a day ride, but my kit would make your ACE sag.. as it currently does for my Sportsman XP 850.
 
But, you're correct, we digress from the original topic. You'll fit the gates just fine and will enjoy the ride without a doubt.
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Reply #46 - 07/02/14 at 21:13:43
 
You Polaris riders have to carry too much repair stuff!   Grin Cheesy Wink
 
No, but seriously, you should add a snatch block, some extra winch line, and a pocket zip cutter or full blown hacksaw for those darned dead pine trees that fall over the road after you've gone by and trap you!  (learned that one from personal experience half a dozen times!) Utah has thousands of standing dead pine trees that blow over very easy.
 
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Reply #47 - 07/02/14 at 22:08:37
 
What is a zip cutter? From the context, it sounds like a saw of some sort.
The Grizzly that nearly always accompanies me has a small folding limb saw in one of the bags. I should get another of those for the ACE.
Not that it would help with a huge tree. Around my area the trees are usually either gigantic, or they don't get blown down. So the small limb cutter has not been terribly helpful. But I can see how it would do a better job for dead wood, especially if they aren't super thick.
 
Regarding the extra winch line and snack block, we've been in a lot of situations, but not yet one that needed more rope or winch line than we all had available as a group, and I never ride alone. With the prices people want for two slips of sheet metal with a machined bit of steel between them, I've never bothered to buy one. Even at Harbor Freight, they're $22, and I have a rule about HF: Never buy anything at HF that my life may depend on.
 
Oh, and my repair stuff has mostly been used to fix Kawasakis and Hondas.
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Reply #48 - 07/03/14 at 09:11:45
 
It is always best to carry an 8mm socket and it has to be a deep one...  Inside joke for those that have not guessed.
 
Sorry, I did not have time to do anything with the "Freddy" video.  Big ugly at home....   We had a sink overflow and take out all the carpet, linoleum and the garage ceiling a couple of weeks ago.  Everything is on the way back in now but everything is still in restoration phase and we are staying in the toyhauler.
 
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Reply #49 - 08/30/14 at 18:06:54
 
I just got back from my Paiute trip. It was a blast! We did 280 miles in 5 days, some day trips and some camping in the mountains.
 
While I was there I took video of all of the gates we encountered, and made this compilation video.
 
The platform for the video is a 2014 Polaris Sportsman ACE with 12x6 Polaris Black Crusher wheels, with 25x8x12 Maxxis BigHorn tires mounted on them. The overall width of the machine, if measured at the absolute widest point, is 50.5 inches. There is at least 1.5 inches of sidewall bulge included in that measurement, so if we had encountered a gate that was truly, exactly 50 inches, it might have been a squeeze to get through it. However, I made it through the gates in this video without touching, except once when my approach was not quite right, in which case I rubbed a rear tire lightly.
 
Unfortunately, we forgot to pack a tape measure, so I cannot tell you exactly how wide each of these gates really is.
 
I can, however, tell you that many of the trails between these gates would be no fun at all to ride with a vehicle that is wider than 50 inches, and in some cases doing so would be potentially deadly.
 
I did find some gates that protected sections of trail that I could not understand the 50" restriction on them. But the Paiute ATV Trail committee is not required to justify themselves to me.
 
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